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hey, you didn't tell anything about your own beliefs..

I'm an Athiist, I believe there is no god or force whatsoever.

I believe that we, like everything around us, are 100% build of molecules, atoms, but nothing like a soul. A soul is something that is made up by humans because they couldn't live with the idea they would be nothing after their death.

Also, I find it rediculous to believe a human would have a soul, and animals wouldn't. For example, human DNA is +/- 97% equal to a chimp's DNA.
(reference:  http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i1/dna.asp )

now that is enough proof for me to say that IF a human has a soul, a chimp has one too.
if a chimp has a soul, a gorilla has one too, so has a dog, chicken, mouse, mosquito, ..bacteria..?
you see where I'm going.. I'd like to state that IF a human has a soul, that persists after his dead; it's not gonna be alone; there will be billions and billions and billions of little bacteria-souls.

now if you agree that we have no soul, and are 100% build out of molecules, you'll also agree with the fact that we have no free will.
our body, and brain, is build from atoms. Atoms fly around and collide with each other. When a collision takes place, the two atoms will both fly in a different direction. If you'd shoot 2 other atoms into each other, with the same speed and direction, they would fly into EXACTLY the same direction after the collision as the first 2 atoms. This is logical. The same forces are applied, the same action, and that means : the same reaction. this goes for all atoms; their collision path could theoretically be predicted.

Your brain is build up from neurons. They can be seen as cells that get a impuls, and send one if enough impuls is 'collected' in a certain time. Your brain reacts to all outside actions, impulses, and tries to determine the best response for the body. Whenever you make a choice, (with your free will, at least you think ) your brain actually makes a choice between a lot of different options. Now imagine, you make any choice. Then, we jump back into history for about 5 minutes. Everything is exactly how it was when you first made that choice, and you don't know you ever travelled back. Would you make another choice the second time around? No. Same imputs, same outputs. Then, did you ever really have a choice? Did you actually get to choose with your free will? Or did your brain pick the best option? I believe the last. Noone has a free will, and we all do what our brain thinks is best for us.

i dont believe in religion and that some one is up there looking down on us
im sorry if you dont like that but thats my opinion

BasV wrote:

Also, I find it rediculous to believe a human would have a soul, and animals wouldn't. For example, human DNA is +/- 97% equal to a chimp's DNA.
(reference:  http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i1/dna.asp )
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im half cristian, but i dont trust in the priest, the vatican and the grape pie

i share that opinion, is stupid to say that the humans have soul and the animals not
humans are another kind of animal, not to different from the apes, we eat, we reproduce in the same way as the mamals, we pee like the animals, so what make us different??

for me the animals and the humans have a soul. The humans must stop that greed of think that they are the center of the universe

"Eppur si muove"

HVH wrote:

one thing that does make us different (excluding language which is questionable for its a different version of barks, meows, and cock-a-doodle-doo's) but it's our necessity of creating. or art, or cooking, or music, or entertainment even crating an order or system.

true, and the humans wants to leave this mark on the world, the mayor part of the humans wants to. The animals not...mm maybe lassie and flipper

about the war stuff, The 1st Emperor of China made a war to unite all the lands, creating the CHINA EMPIRE

some info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_China#Imperial_era
i know that is out of the topic, but is a aditional info

I respect that each individual has their own beliefs when it comes to religion.I think we can do what we want as long as it is right and just for everyone.It is a matter of respect and faith to God.

Thanks for the info, I appreciate it.

Agnostic i beleive there maybe something just there is nothing thta proves it that and my saying im agnostic gets the people to stop knocking on my door